I don’t know of too many people who want to bring back anything resembling the nazi ideology. However, I do know of a lot of people that want the historical narrative of the 20th century to be corrected to show that the communists were the true evil party of the 20th century. The cartoonish narrative about how evil the Nazis were belongs to the communists. Everyone freaks out when Elon musk does a gesture resembling a heil Hitler salute, but the red salute is the symbol of multiple political movements in the country today and no one says a damn thing. The more I learn about the events of the time period the more I begin to believe Patton was assassinated for being red pilled on the communist problem by the end of the war. I’m thrilled a man of your caliber is taking on the issue. Don’t let anyone influence your conclusions, just be wise about your delivery.
One line struck me Daryl: “ it’s hard to imagine a war between us and Canada.” Actually? Based on everything, the big orange orangutan has been doing. It’s sadly less hard to imagine that it would’ve been two or three months ago. Keep up the good work and long live Canada the true North strong and free.
China, India and Brazil. Canada is normally top of my list. I guess I can’t use that one though.I’m confining myself to countries where my employer has production facilities with my job and the other two I don’t do anymore but can get re certified on quickly. Here’s hoping my honorable discharge gets me out of the line and not sent to the front of it.
Was hoping you would post this. The majority of this is phenomenal but I have 2 hangups. First is about Churchill's importance. I have to disagree that the British machine was inevitably going that route with or without Churchill. Churchill was unique and I do not think just anyone could do what he did. He was a perfect combination of alcoholism, debt, zero moral compass, zero principles, and charisma. His entire political rise in the 30's was an astroturfed movement by the Focus. There was real opposition early on to what Churchill was doing. But lack of funding and just general passive disposition of the political leadership in Britain allowed for the events to play out how they did. I agree with your point of Churchill not being a great man and a 2nd rate politician at best. But he was uniquely suited for the role he played and I am not sure "if it wasn't him it would have been someone else" is really true.
My 2nd hangup is when you talked about Vivek but maybe I'll make a separate comment on that.
hi Darryl. long time listener, first time poster here. Just wanted to congratulate you on ascending to the stratosphere after going on the JRE and being exposed to the millions of curious, cool listeners he's cultivated. Your work is so top notch you deserve every bit of it. Hope some day you share with us what that whole experience was like and especially how that dinner went. You, Scott, and Danielli are some of the most interesting and insightful pocasters/writers i can fathom. That conversation must have just been unreal. Can't wait for your new series!
I've listened to this twice. I love the way you weave through the 20th century giving the listener an understanding of the forces that got us to the present day and the tough decisions most are not willing to address.
Hey, Darryl -- everyone -- check out "Mars Hill Audio Journal" run by Ken Myers. Pretty wonky. Has hosted everyone from Liethhart to Bernard Lewis. Been doing a podcast long before it was cool, and it was on cassettes. Really good stuff.
THE PROBLEM is that Ken has a raging purple passion about social media and he won't put his stuff up on YT, etc. DBH, Leithart, Dreher, Deneen, Metaxas, Lundin, Richard Wilbur... definitely check it out. (and if anyone has reach, tell him to get in the game -- would be good to link to some of his stuff)
I honestly wasn’t that impressed with the Rogan interview. Then I saw this come across my YouTube feed the next day and gave it a listen, and thought it was 10X better.
So I came to conclude, and I’m not sure you meant this or not, that the Rogan interview was not meant for a hard core hard right adjacent martyr made fan, but more of a normie audience, and I was ok with that. I think there was a certain message you needed to get across on Rogan, and you did a good job with that. The evidence for that was how weak the samples used by the opposition to cry over the Rogan interview were. Those people were going to throw a fit no matter what, and watching them choose still to do it with the material they had was really revealing.
This new founding interview was the real meat and potatoes.
I felt constrained by Ian Carroll's appearance the week before. I didn't want Rogan to catch a bunch of flak about the same subject twice in a row, and scare him off from ever talking to anyone about it again. Rogan loved the interview, and wants to do it again, and the insane reaction to it from some quarters radicalized him another 1%. We're playing the long game here.
I personally thought it was a great conversation and the point that hit home with me was was (in my humble opinion) was core value that we as people keep an objective look at history by the people who lived it. I tell people frequently that you cannot view history through the eyes of a 21st century person, but rather you have to consider the time, place and traditions of the people who lived it. I think that what makes you a great story teller/historian in this space and I am glad Rogan brought that up considering the brilliance you bring to the table. Thanks Darryl, myself and a plethora of others really appreciate your hard work—putting your neck out there for the truth that has been hidden by the victors.
That’s in line with what I thought. Carroll, even though he made a ton of caveats, is too sloppy for my taste. Certain individuals have spoken in the past about certain fields of thought needing to be contained within elite circles.
Btw I didn’t think the interview was bad. I just have a very high bar for you, and ultimately it comes down to me having already heard a lot of your stuff before. So as I was saying I recognize it was for a broader audience and was ok with that.
It was like seeing your favorite band go on Letterman back in the day... only to have them do their biggest radio hit. You can't help but be a little let down, even if you do understand the logic behind it.
I kinda knew after the 15 minute "Darryl's not a Nazi" intro that I wasn't going to be the target audience.
If you want people to know the things you know and come to realize the things you have realized, you have to understand that can be a slow process. The average person isn't just going to accept their worldview and concept of history being turned on its head over night. These are things that have to be chipped away at. Luckily, like with Covid, when these narratives start to crack those who defend and perpetuate them start panicking and start doing things that expedite the unraveling of the myth/narrative.
I get it. Persistence needs to be tempered with patience with this stuff. I have to remind myself of what I believed 10, 5, even 2 years ago... and how I got to where I am now. It didn't happen because of the people beating me over the head with "truth". In fact, it happened in spite of them.
I have no issue with Darryl's approach. He's the one in the arena navigating the land mines.
Carroll's interview was frustrating. The first half was good, mostly verifiable skullduggery that rang true. Then...aliens and telepathic teenagers! Only once rational people have tuned out, did he really start in on Epstein. Suspicious.
I found it frustrating too. The alien stuff is a monumental bore. In this world of lies, psychological warfare, and endless subterfuge, there's absolutely nothing these people can say and nothing they can show me that will ever make me take the topic seriously.
As far as Ian goes, the jury's still out for me. I always have a healthy suspicion about people and things that come out of nowhere and achieve massive, overnight popularity. I like the guy, but trust isn't something I give away carelessly anymore.
In regards to Vivek, American identity is such a complicated thing that I personally am still working through and really enjoy hearing your thoughts on Darryl. But my hangup with when you brought up Vivek is that in a healthy society that dude is in prison and/or deported for the pharmaceutical pump and dump he ran. And then he turns around and wants to lecture people on Twitter about American culture and the propositional nation. Screw him. I know he was born here, but I am just not a birthright guy and I am not a magic soil guy. American identity is such a difficult topic because it to me is such a unique thing, but it seems clear it is a culture that could only come out of Western Europe, although it clearly is distinctly different from it. I think in the last 80-100 years we are coming to realize that we have let people into this country from radically different cultures who aren't assimilating like other ethnic groups in the past did when they came here. I guess simply put, I am not sure you can just chalk up "Vivek isn't American because of his Indian decent" to casual bigotry/racism. I think there is something deeper there to unpack.
Agreed. A good test is looking at Vivek's biggest life decisions. Did he build or innovate anything for America? No, he made his fortune in a scam. Did he marry and American? No, he married a fellow Indian. Did he give his kids english names? No, he gave them Indian names. When he embraced religiosity for political purposes, did he embrace Christianity? No, he referred to the hindu god. Did he celebrate Christmas? No, he went to the beach. Did he advocate for the interest of Americans in politics? No, he advocated importing his ethnic kin to take over upper middle class jobs. In what way could this guy be construed as American? If Vivek American, then everyone on the planet is an American.
Correct. I don't even blame Vivek. We have created the incentive structure in this country for foreigners who come from incompatible cultures to come here and take advantage of what our culture has to offer while never actually embracing it. It is very obvious that while Vivek or others may have physically been born here, culturally and spiritually they are foreigners. I blame the people who allowed this to happen. I don't have the answers but I think dismantling the incentive structures (including birthright), a very long moratorium on immigration and mass deportations are a good place to start.
I don’t know of too many people who want to bring back anything resembling the nazi ideology. However, I do know of a lot of people that want the historical narrative of the 20th century to be corrected to show that the communists were the true evil party of the 20th century. The cartoonish narrative about how evil the Nazis were belongs to the communists. Everyone freaks out when Elon musk does a gesture resembling a heil Hitler salute, but the red salute is the symbol of multiple political movements in the country today and no one says a damn thing. The more I learn about the events of the time period the more I begin to believe Patton was assassinated for being red pilled on the communist problem by the end of the war. I’m thrilled a man of your caliber is taking on the issue. Don’t let anyone influence your conclusions, just be wise about your delivery.
Well said.
Daryl, Rogan, Duncan, Danielli, Horton = dream blunt rotation
Duncan would end up being the beer wench.
Sounds like a dinner with interesting conversations. So when's Scott going on Rogan?
As soon as Rogan gets tired of me and Dave bugging him about it, so hopefully soon.
Came here to say this
One line struck me Daryl: “ it’s hard to imagine a war between us and Canada.” Actually? Based on everything, the big orange orangutan has been doing. It’s sadly less hard to imagine that it would’ve been two or three months ago. Keep up the good work and long live Canada the true North strong and free.
But where would the draft dodgers run to?
China, India and Brazil. Canada is normally top of my list. I guess I can’t use that one though.I’m confining myself to countries where my employer has production facilities with my job and the other two I don’t do anymore but can get re certified on quickly. Here’s hoping my honorable discharge gets me out of the line and not sent to the front of it.
China? Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire.
I probably wouldn’t actually leave. It would be a sight easier to go somewhere I wouldn’t be learning a new job as a well as a new language though.
Mexico? LOL. I do have to thank the President. We haven't had such Canadian pride in a long time. It's kinda refreshing.
Was hoping you would post this. The majority of this is phenomenal but I have 2 hangups. First is about Churchill's importance. I have to disagree that the British machine was inevitably going that route with or without Churchill. Churchill was unique and I do not think just anyone could do what he did. He was a perfect combination of alcoholism, debt, zero moral compass, zero principles, and charisma. His entire political rise in the 30's was an astroturfed movement by the Focus. There was real opposition early on to what Churchill was doing. But lack of funding and just general passive disposition of the political leadership in Britain allowed for the events to play out how they did. I agree with your point of Churchill not being a great man and a 2nd rate politician at best. But he was uniquely suited for the role he played and I am not sure "if it wasn't him it would have been someone else" is really true.
My 2nd hangup is when you talked about Vivek but maybe I'll make a separate comment on that.
hi Darryl. long time listener, first time poster here. Just wanted to congratulate you on ascending to the stratosphere after going on the JRE and being exposed to the millions of curious, cool listeners he's cultivated. Your work is so top notch you deserve every bit of it. Hope some day you share with us what that whole experience was like and especially how that dinner went. You, Scott, and Danielli are some of the most interesting and insightful pocasters/writers i can fathom. That conversation must have just been unreal. Can't wait for your new series!
Happy to see your hard work and study is finally being acknowledged.
What a crew! Man. Don’t forget to invite me next time.
I've listened to this twice. I love the way you weave through the 20th century giving the listener an understanding of the forces that got us to the present day and the tough decisions most are not willing to address.
Total aside:
Hey, Darryl -- everyone -- check out "Mars Hill Audio Journal" run by Ken Myers. Pretty wonky. Has hosted everyone from Liethhart to Bernard Lewis. Been doing a podcast long before it was cool, and it was on cassettes. Really good stuff.
THE PROBLEM is that Ken has a raging purple passion about social media and he won't put his stuff up on YT, etc. DBH, Leithart, Dreher, Deneen, Metaxas, Lundin, Richard Wilbur... definitely check it out. (and if anyone has reach, tell him to get in the game -- would be good to link to some of his stuff)
Other guests: Dana Gioia, N. T. Wright, Sir John Polkinghorne, Os Guinness, Wilfred McClay, and John McWhorter.
Will do, thx
I honestly wasn’t that impressed with the Rogan interview. Then I saw this come across my YouTube feed the next day and gave it a listen, and thought it was 10X better.
So I came to conclude, and I’m not sure you meant this or not, that the Rogan interview was not meant for a hard core hard right adjacent martyr made fan, but more of a normie audience, and I was ok with that. I think there was a certain message you needed to get across on Rogan, and you did a good job with that. The evidence for that was how weak the samples used by the opposition to cry over the Rogan interview were. Those people were going to throw a fit no matter what, and watching them choose still to do it with the material they had was really revealing.
This new founding interview was the real meat and potatoes.
I felt constrained by Ian Carroll's appearance the week before. I didn't want Rogan to catch a bunch of flak about the same subject twice in a row, and scare him off from ever talking to anyone about it again. Rogan loved the interview, and wants to do it again, and the insane reaction to it from some quarters radicalized him another 1%. We're playing the long game here.
I personally thought it was a great conversation and the point that hit home with me was was (in my humble opinion) was core value that we as people keep an objective look at history by the people who lived it. I tell people frequently that you cannot view history through the eyes of a 21st century person, but rather you have to consider the time, place and traditions of the people who lived it. I think that what makes you a great story teller/historian in this space and I am glad Rogan brought that up considering the brilliance you bring to the table. Thanks Darryl, myself and a plethora of others really appreciate your hard work—putting your neck out there for the truth that has been hidden by the victors.
That’s in line with what I thought. Carroll, even though he made a ton of caveats, is too sloppy for my taste. Certain individuals have spoken in the past about certain fields of thought needing to be contained within elite circles.
Btw I didn’t think the interview was bad. I just have a very high bar for you, and ultimately it comes down to me having already heard a lot of your stuff before. So as I was saying I recognize it was for a broader audience and was ok with that.
It was like seeing your favorite band go on Letterman back in the day... only to have them do their biggest radio hit. You can't help but be a little let down, even if you do understand the logic behind it.
I kinda knew after the 15 minute "Darryl's not a Nazi" intro that I wasn't going to be the target audience.
Really looking forward to this one, though.
If you want people to know the things you know and come to realize the things you have realized, you have to understand that can be a slow process. The average person isn't just going to accept their worldview and concept of history being turned on its head over night. These are things that have to be chipped away at. Luckily, like with Covid, when these narratives start to crack those who defend and perpetuate them start panicking and start doing things that expedite the unraveling of the myth/narrative.
I get it. Persistence needs to be tempered with patience with this stuff. I have to remind myself of what I believed 10, 5, even 2 years ago... and how I got to where I am now. It didn't happen because of the people beating me over the head with "truth". In fact, it happened in spite of them.
I have no issue with Darryl's approach. He's the one in the arena navigating the land mines.
The funny thing is, it sounded like a lot of Ian's info on Epstein came right out of your series.
Carroll's interview was frustrating. The first half was good, mostly verifiable skullduggery that rang true. Then...aliens and telepathic teenagers! Only once rational people have tuned out, did he really start in on Epstein. Suspicious.
I found it frustrating too. The alien stuff is a monumental bore. In this world of lies, psychological warfare, and endless subterfuge, there's absolutely nothing these people can say and nothing they can show me that will ever make me take the topic seriously.
As far as Ian goes, the jury's still out for me. I always have a healthy suspicion about people and things that come out of nowhere and achieve massive, overnight popularity. I like the guy, but trust isn't something I give away carelessly anymore.
I don't think he's controlled. I think they can stomach his style, and have admitted to themselves that this stuff is coming out anyway.
Fuck yeah Darryl! Keep on it! So many people have your back! We love you man. LOVE
I loved seeing you !
In regards to Vivek, American identity is such a complicated thing that I personally am still working through and really enjoy hearing your thoughts on Darryl. But my hangup with when you brought up Vivek is that in a healthy society that dude is in prison and/or deported for the pharmaceutical pump and dump he ran. And then he turns around and wants to lecture people on Twitter about American culture and the propositional nation. Screw him. I know he was born here, but I am just not a birthright guy and I am not a magic soil guy. American identity is such a difficult topic because it to me is such a unique thing, but it seems clear it is a culture that could only come out of Western Europe, although it clearly is distinctly different from it. I think in the last 80-100 years we are coming to realize that we have let people into this country from radically different cultures who aren't assimilating like other ethnic groups in the past did when they came here. I guess simply put, I am not sure you can just chalk up "Vivek isn't American because of his Indian decent" to casual bigotry/racism. I think there is something deeper there to unpack.
Agreed. A good test is looking at Vivek's biggest life decisions. Did he build or innovate anything for America? No, he made his fortune in a scam. Did he marry and American? No, he married a fellow Indian. Did he give his kids english names? No, he gave them Indian names. When he embraced religiosity for political purposes, did he embrace Christianity? No, he referred to the hindu god. Did he celebrate Christmas? No, he went to the beach. Did he advocate for the interest of Americans in politics? No, he advocated importing his ethnic kin to take over upper middle class jobs. In what way could this guy be construed as American? If Vivek American, then everyone on the planet is an American.
Correct. I don't even blame Vivek. We have created the incentive structure in this country for foreigners who come from incompatible cultures to come here and take advantage of what our culture has to offer while never actually embracing it. It is very obvious that while Vivek or others may have physically been born here, culturally and spiritually they are foreigners. I blame the people who allowed this to happen. I don't have the answers but I think dismantling the incentive structures (including birthright), a very long moratorium on immigration and mass deportations are a good place to start.
I give Vivek a pass because of his role in getting Trump re-elected. But I no longer trust him.
Darryl, do you have a recommended reading list anywhere?
A podcast with duncan trussell & you would be a fun one 👍🏻👍🏻
This was one of the best podcasts I think he’s done