Let me go a step further with this although I promised only a couple of thoughts: First, I think the hubris that created this conflict needs to be checked. I find it amazing that not only the League of Nations, but that actual hundreds of thousands of Jews who were so heavily persecuted in Germany, Poland, and elsewhere would not have de…
Let me go a step further with this although I promised only a couple of thoughts: First, I think the hubris that created this conflict needs to be checked. I find it amazing that not only the League of Nations, but that actual hundreds of thousands of Jews who were so heavily persecuted in Germany, Poland, and elsewhere would not have developed empathy for other despised people groups, having such a deep understanding of the pain that accompanies oppression.
I wonder how empathy for the experiences of losing life and liberty wasn’t extended to others when coming into Palestine and witnessing the forced exodus of so many people who have lived in these places for centuries.
This hubris seems to animate many still today as they pontificate on what the best solution to this problem is.
Really?
Haven’t the 70 to 100 years that have passed offered no insight that this is not a problem but a condition, as someone has recently said? Geez. How about some humility, people? When we start with humility, we begin looking at the history with clearer vision.
Please listen to Jocko & Darryl’s episode of the Unraveling Podcast which gives an enlightening sketch of the histories and connections between Israeli Terrorist groups and Israeli presidents.
Finally, I venture to say that had the Palestinian been regarded with the same degree of humanity as the Jew and the British, and while we’re at it, Europeans in general, we would be having a different discussion today. There. I said it. Come at me!!
I’ve listened to the jock and dc podcasts, not really about coming at you...but ya still doesn’t really answer what the solution is..I dunno where the people are supposed to go. Any ‘people’ that doesn’t feel they have a home. Or like if there should be reconciliation for conquering or what that should be or if it is sort of inevitable like a things fall apart sort of situation.
Agreed, and I don’t know what the answer is either. But I have a feeling that if all the stakeholders in this conflict would focus on the root issue, they would be better equipped for finding a solution. It’s almost like they don’t want to look at it. It’s so weird to me. I grew up in the 1980’s with calls for “peace in the Middle East” and other such mantras, and assumed that people just needed to stop fighting and live in harmony. I was so miseducated. But now, almost no one has an excuse to be ignorant of the facts and those in power should be addressing these facts.
Again, I don’t pretend to know the answer, but I trust that rational minds at the top levels can get closer to a solution than where we are or where we have been, if they take a deep look at what started this mess in the first place.
Right, and if those at the top had the best for the whole world in mind, which even just working in small organizations makes me doubt. Have become suspicious of almost everything big with any level of bureaucracy
Hard to expect the Jews of Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Yemen, Morocco, etc., who were getting butchered in their homelands, to feel a lot of sympathy for the Arabs living in Transjordan. It wasn’t just European Jews in Israel.
Let me go a step further with this although I promised only a couple of thoughts: First, I think the hubris that created this conflict needs to be checked. I find it amazing that not only the League of Nations, but that actual hundreds of thousands of Jews who were so heavily persecuted in Germany, Poland, and elsewhere would not have developed empathy for other despised people groups, having such a deep understanding of the pain that accompanies oppression.
I wonder how empathy for the experiences of losing life and liberty wasn’t extended to others when coming into Palestine and witnessing the forced exodus of so many people who have lived in these places for centuries.
This hubris seems to animate many still today as they pontificate on what the best solution to this problem is.
Really?
Haven’t the 70 to 100 years that have passed offered no insight that this is not a problem but a condition, as someone has recently said? Geez. How about some humility, people? When we start with humility, we begin looking at the history with clearer vision.
Please listen to Jocko & Darryl’s episode of the Unraveling Podcast which gives an enlightening sketch of the histories and connections between Israeli Terrorist groups and Israeli presidents.
Finally, I venture to say that had the Palestinian been regarded with the same degree of humanity as the Jew and the British, and while we’re at it, Europeans in general, we would be having a different discussion today. There. I said it. Come at me!!
I’ve listened to the jock and dc podcasts, not really about coming at you...but ya still doesn’t really answer what the solution is..I dunno where the people are supposed to go. Any ‘people’ that doesn’t feel they have a home. Or like if there should be reconciliation for conquering or what that should be or if it is sort of inevitable like a things fall apart sort of situation.
Agreed, and I don’t know what the answer is either. But I have a feeling that if all the stakeholders in this conflict would focus on the root issue, they would be better equipped for finding a solution. It’s almost like they don’t want to look at it. It’s so weird to me. I grew up in the 1980’s with calls for “peace in the Middle East” and other such mantras, and assumed that people just needed to stop fighting and live in harmony. I was so miseducated. But now, almost no one has an excuse to be ignorant of the facts and those in power should be addressing these facts.
Again, I don’t pretend to know the answer, but I trust that rational minds at the top levels can get closer to a solution than where we are or where we have been, if they take a deep look at what started this mess in the first place.
Right, and if those at the top had the best for the whole world in mind, which even just working in small organizations makes me doubt. Have become suspicious of almost everything big with any level of bureaucracy
Hard to expect the Jews of Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Yemen, Morocco, etc., who were getting butchered in their homelands, to feel a lot of sympathy for the Arabs living in Transjordan. It wasn’t just European Jews in Israel.