Oh gosh! So many thoughts. But I’ll spare the reader and offer just a few. Imagine with me how the history and current racial climate of the United States of America and Canada would have been if the Native American peoples fought with the same degree of tenacity against Europeans like the Palestinians have been doing against the occupyi…
Oh gosh! So many thoughts. But I’ll spare the reader and offer just a few. Imagine with me how the history and current racial climate of the United States of America and Canada would have been if the Native American peoples fought with the same degree of tenacity against Europeans like the Palestinians have been doing against the occupying Jews in Palestine.
The British (along with many of the powerful empires of yesteryear) cavalierly entered many foreign lands and did as they wished with the peoples and cultures that they found living in these various places. But this one spot in the Middle East was different. Palestine had a history that was very different than other colonial acquisitions. A cursory review of history might have caused a sensible empire to tread carefully around this land mine.
But no, empire building, questionable Christian eschatology, and a strong dose of self-superiority allowed them to plow right past all the guard rails. The British with the help of the League of Nations created this situation. They should not have been allowed to simply walk away after 1948.
And finally, let’s stop pretending that peace is possible with the long list of cease fires and accords they’ve been tossing at the problem. Haven’t we seen enough of these already? These things are mere window dressings that don’t directly address the core of the matters that Mr Levy is stating!
And Instead of asking why I’m not fully supporting the Jews in Israel; please, for one minute, try and see where the atrocities of the Hamas attack stems from. As humans, atrocities and the need to correct, avenge, and prevent them can blind us the root which causes them in the first place. We can support, weep with, and defend Israel, while at the same time look deeply into the disease which refuses to be healed because it’s never directly addressed.
Responding to symptomatic flare-ups is not good medical practice and we’ve been negligible physicians.
If the aliens are watching & learning the lesson is kill all when conquering bc anyone you give mercy to is going to come back and wreak hell....maybe war and conquering are a thing of the past but wars been around forever and exists in the animal kingdom taking over and protecting territory for its resources, killing rivals....but ya no good way to address what’s been done probs. What’s your best solution? I feel like it could go either way, open borders and let everything even out so the whole world is basically at the same level..bc fortunately I am a white American but in my next life I could be born as a Chinese poor city dweller or something...orrr give everyone by race they’re own home to be around peers and govern themselves....or both...but where would the Jews or palastenians go? Or AAs for that matter. If the Jewish and Palestinians could agree on separate spaces I think the Jewish would leave them alone. Not sure I could say the same of the Palestinians. But I think it comes down to where the money comes from. If someone’s paying for you they get to tell you what to do..so everyone would have to be independent.
Let me go a step further with this although I promised only a couple of thoughts: First, I think the hubris that created this conflict needs to be checked. I find it amazing that not only the League of Nations, but that actual hundreds of thousands of Jews who were so heavily persecuted in Germany, Poland, and elsewhere would not have developed empathy for other despised people groups, having such a deep understanding of the pain that accompanies oppression.
I wonder how empathy for the experiences of losing life and liberty wasn’t extended to others when coming into Palestine and witnessing the forced exodus of so many people who have lived in these places for centuries.
This hubris seems to animate many still today as they pontificate on what the best solution to this problem is.
Really?
Haven’t the 70 to 100 years that have passed offered no insight that this is not a problem but a condition, as someone has recently said? Geez. How about some humility, people? When we start with humility, we begin looking at the history with clearer vision.
Please listen to Jocko & Darryl’s episode of the Unraveling Podcast which gives an enlightening sketch of the histories and connections between Israeli Terrorist groups and Israeli presidents.
Finally, I venture to say that had the Palestinian been regarded with the same degree of humanity as the Jew and the British, and while we’re at it, Europeans in general, we would be having a different discussion today. There. I said it. Come at me!!
I’ve listened to the jock and dc podcasts, not really about coming at you...but ya still doesn’t really answer what the solution is..I dunno where the people are supposed to go. Any ‘people’ that doesn’t feel they have a home. Or like if there should be reconciliation for conquering or what that should be or if it is sort of inevitable like a things fall apart sort of situation.
Agreed, and I don’t know what the answer is either. But I have a feeling that if all the stakeholders in this conflict would focus on the root issue, they would be better equipped for finding a solution. It’s almost like they don’t want to look at it. It’s so weird to me. I grew up in the 1980’s with calls for “peace in the Middle East” and other such mantras, and assumed that people just needed to stop fighting and live in harmony. I was so miseducated. But now, almost no one has an excuse to be ignorant of the facts and those in power should be addressing these facts.
Again, I don’t pretend to know the answer, but I trust that rational minds at the top levels can get closer to a solution than where we are or where we have been, if they take a deep look at what started this mess in the first place.
Right, and if those at the top had the best for the whole world in mind, which even just working in small organizations makes me doubt. Have become suspicious of almost everything big with any level of bureaucracy
Hard to expect the Jews of Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Yemen, Morocco, etc., who were getting butchered in their homelands, to feel a lot of sympathy for the Arabs living in Transjordan. It wasn’t just European Jews in Israel.
Oh gosh! So many thoughts. But I’ll spare the reader and offer just a few. Imagine with me how the history and current racial climate of the United States of America and Canada would have been if the Native American peoples fought with the same degree of tenacity against Europeans like the Palestinians have been doing against the occupying Jews in Palestine.
The British (along with many of the powerful empires of yesteryear) cavalierly entered many foreign lands and did as they wished with the peoples and cultures that they found living in these various places. But this one spot in the Middle East was different. Palestine had a history that was very different than other colonial acquisitions. A cursory review of history might have caused a sensible empire to tread carefully around this land mine.
But no, empire building, questionable Christian eschatology, and a strong dose of self-superiority allowed them to plow right past all the guard rails. The British with the help of the League of Nations created this situation. They should not have been allowed to simply walk away after 1948.
And finally, let’s stop pretending that peace is possible with the long list of cease fires and accords they’ve been tossing at the problem. Haven’t we seen enough of these already? These things are mere window dressings that don’t directly address the core of the matters that Mr Levy is stating!
And Instead of asking why I’m not fully supporting the Jews in Israel; please, for one minute, try and see where the atrocities of the Hamas attack stems from. As humans, atrocities and the need to correct, avenge, and prevent them can blind us the root which causes them in the first place. We can support, weep with, and defend Israel, while at the same time look deeply into the disease which refuses to be healed because it’s never directly addressed.
Responding to symptomatic flare-ups is not good medical practice and we’ve been negligible physicians.
It's not the Palestinian's fault. It's not the Jew's fault. It's the fucking British.
Bingo!
If the aliens are watching & learning the lesson is kill all when conquering bc anyone you give mercy to is going to come back and wreak hell....maybe war and conquering are a thing of the past but wars been around forever and exists in the animal kingdom taking over and protecting territory for its resources, killing rivals....but ya no good way to address what’s been done probs. What’s your best solution? I feel like it could go either way, open borders and let everything even out so the whole world is basically at the same level..bc fortunately I am a white American but in my next life I could be born as a Chinese poor city dweller or something...orrr give everyone by race they’re own home to be around peers and govern themselves....or both...but where would the Jews or palastenians go? Or AAs for that matter. If the Jewish and Palestinians could agree on separate spaces I think the Jewish would leave them alone. Not sure I could say the same of the Palestinians. But I think it comes down to where the money comes from. If someone’s paying for you they get to tell you what to do..so everyone would have to be independent.
Let me go a step further with this although I promised only a couple of thoughts: First, I think the hubris that created this conflict needs to be checked. I find it amazing that not only the League of Nations, but that actual hundreds of thousands of Jews who were so heavily persecuted in Germany, Poland, and elsewhere would not have developed empathy for other despised people groups, having such a deep understanding of the pain that accompanies oppression.
I wonder how empathy for the experiences of losing life and liberty wasn’t extended to others when coming into Palestine and witnessing the forced exodus of so many people who have lived in these places for centuries.
This hubris seems to animate many still today as they pontificate on what the best solution to this problem is.
Really?
Haven’t the 70 to 100 years that have passed offered no insight that this is not a problem but a condition, as someone has recently said? Geez. How about some humility, people? When we start with humility, we begin looking at the history with clearer vision.
Please listen to Jocko & Darryl’s episode of the Unraveling Podcast which gives an enlightening sketch of the histories and connections between Israeli Terrorist groups and Israeli presidents.
Finally, I venture to say that had the Palestinian been regarded with the same degree of humanity as the Jew and the British, and while we’re at it, Europeans in general, we would be having a different discussion today. There. I said it. Come at me!!
I’ve listened to the jock and dc podcasts, not really about coming at you...but ya still doesn’t really answer what the solution is..I dunno where the people are supposed to go. Any ‘people’ that doesn’t feel they have a home. Or like if there should be reconciliation for conquering or what that should be or if it is sort of inevitable like a things fall apart sort of situation.
Agreed, and I don’t know what the answer is either. But I have a feeling that if all the stakeholders in this conflict would focus on the root issue, they would be better equipped for finding a solution. It’s almost like they don’t want to look at it. It’s so weird to me. I grew up in the 1980’s with calls for “peace in the Middle East” and other such mantras, and assumed that people just needed to stop fighting and live in harmony. I was so miseducated. But now, almost no one has an excuse to be ignorant of the facts and those in power should be addressing these facts.
Again, I don’t pretend to know the answer, but I trust that rational minds at the top levels can get closer to a solution than where we are or where we have been, if they take a deep look at what started this mess in the first place.
Right, and if those at the top had the best for the whole world in mind, which even just working in small organizations makes me doubt. Have become suspicious of almost everything big with any level of bureaucracy
Hard to expect the Jews of Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Yemen, Morocco, etc., who were getting butchered in their homelands, to feel a lot of sympathy for the Arabs living in Transjordan. It wasn’t just European Jews in Israel.
That really does sum it up